Monday, September 15, 2014

My Realization of Our Uncivilized Society

            My biggest problem with the General Prologue in The Canterbury Tales is the fact that I can’t discern which characters are good, and which are painted in a bad light.  During last week’s discussion, my group found the interpretations between the knight and his son to be much different than some of the others in the class. (Whether that’s because it’s up to interpretation or I’m simply getting it wrong, I don’t know.) The general consensus was that the son’s excerpt was very satirical.  But how am I supposed to know that? Even when translated into Modern English, the tone is hard to understand.  I’m really starting to hold Chaucer in contempt for showing off his fancy schmancy writing skills, and not focusing on understanding what the heck he’s saying.  I like poetic things, but this seems a bit excessive. 
            What I’m confused about is the contrasting things we discussed in class.  One day, I think we discussed that a clean-cut, nice looking dude with shiny armor and nice-looking hair was considered a good thing—the guy could be recognized as a hero.  Then another day, a guy with a nicely groomed, forked beard, or a squire with nice hair and the ability to write songs is bad.  This is extremely confusing! Then I remembered that these two discussions occurred while we were discussing two different stories.  So maybe this presents the evolution from Old English times and Middle English times—which again brings me to the topic of heroism. 

            In Beowulf, the hero is dressed in shiny, extravagant armor, and he is loved by the people.  Of course, his accomplishments and reputations are also considered in his heroism, but a lot of emphasis is placed on his outer appearance—which is quite impressive.  This idea isn’t unlike today’s society, where we place emphasis on looks in, not heroes, but celebrities.  We see the opposite in The Canterbury Tales, though.  Their hero (in this case the knight) is humbly dressed, and shows that looks are not at the forefront of their judgments.  Like Beowulf, this knight has many proud accomplishments to display—yet, they look entirely different.  What’s funny to me is the fact that we think of these times as uncivilized now—but really, Chaucer and his counterparts had the right way of thinking.  So who’s really uncivilized? Beowulf  is one of the earliest works we have on record, while Chaucer wrote this a hundreds of years later.  So really, we’ve come full circle. 

3 comments:

  1. I think it's important to remember there are different ways of judging people on their looks. It's not always about who looks good, is it? It's sometimes about who looks like we think someone like that is *supposed* to look. Chaucer's knight is a man of action, and it shows in how he dresses. He' relatively inattentive to his appearance, but that doesn't mean he's sloppy or careless, just that his mind is on other things.

    Where;s the quotation showing that Beowulf's armor is "shiny"? ;-)

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  2. I agree that it is slightly frustrating to have to depict Chaucer's interpretation of these characters and sort of decide amongst ourselves if they are good or bad. However, it is incredibly refreshing because it is poetry. When we think about it, this isn't simply just Chaucer writing about people based on their looks (okay, maybe it mostly is...), but it is a form of poetry and what a poet and a reader see in a poem can be entirely different. When we pull apart poems to interpret them, we always bring our own history and background into them. Experiences in our own lives that no one else has had will definitely change the way we view something. Maybe we see the knight and the squire differently because we all value different things when it comes to what makes a "good person". We may also see parts of ourselves in these characters and want to deem the characters that reflect ourselves as the more positive ones.

    I also think that "Beowulf" and "The Canterbury Tales" can't be judged too closely. The character of Beowulf brings about discussion of what is a good hero and a good king? I think Chaucer's poem brings out more talks of what it means to be a good human being or a citizen in society. Yes, we can read them side by side and pull comparisons, but I think it's important to see that Chaucer is ultimately showing us his view of people on a pilgrimage and if we were sitting along with him, we might be judging every single one of those people differently.

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  3. I think the idea of having a universal understanding of all characters just by reading the same text will never happen. However, there are some universal characteristics that most humans can agree on, for example, finding a chef with a oozing sore preparing food to be a little offsetting. The whole class may not be able to decide if he is completely good or evil, but we can start to infer our own understanding of what degree they may be at for good and evil.

    In addition, I find that these two examples actually help portray people very well. Now, I also could be totally lost, but I believe what was trying to be said was that the knight had clean armor because he took the time to clean himself and take pride in what he dd. Then, in contrast, the idea of the guy having a beautifully split beard shows that he cares about his looks a little too much, and for no good reason, making him a little, or a lot, conceited.

    Finally, I agree with you. I do not understand if the knight dressing modestly is because he is too busy being a good, hard working knight, or he is lazy and doesn’t take pride in his appearance?

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